Yes, you can rent with kids!

Kristy & Bryce with their new edition in front of
The Turia Fountain in Spain

From JL:

Turns out you can still travel, even with a kid. Who knew?

Certainly not their detractors. For years they confidently said, “You can only travel as you do, and be FIRE’d, because you don’t have kids. Once you have a kid, you’ll have to settle down and very likely have to go back to work. At the very least you’ll change your tune on renting and buy a house!”

Nope.

They’re back from living nomadically in Spain for three months with the new kid, and they are still jobless.

I first met these guys when they showed up in Ecuador for my Chautauqua 2016.

They were in their very early thirties, retired from their engineering jobs, and wandering the world as nomads. They so completely embraced the ethic of Chautauqua, I invited them to be speakers at the future events which they did right through to the last one in 2022.

Now I’m not saying there is a connection, but promptly after I announced the end of Chautauqua they went off on a new adventure and got pregnant.

They recently moved from one end of Canada to the other and are still perfectly content to rent.

Here’s how, and why, they do it.

Yes, you can rent with kids

Back in 2016, JL published our guest post on this blog called…

Buy Your Freedom and Rent the Rest

In it we talked about how we chose to rent cars and our home, rather than give in to the societal pressure that owning is better. Instead, we chose to own our time by buying our freedom.  

Now, 10 years later, 10 lbs heavier, and with a toddler running around constantly trying to break everything, a lot has changed.

We are no longer the carefree DINKs we once were, able to climb mountains, fly to Thailand to scuba dive on a whim, and sit in cafes for hours doing whatever we please. 

Most days, we feel like involuntary fire fighters, except without the cool hat and the truck. Now we spend all our time changing sheets, picking Cheerios out of our hair, and dealing with constant emotional meltdowns (mostly ours). 

Almost everything has changed, but one thing has remained consistent. We still rent.

We are the exception, not the rule. According to the US Census Bureau 65.3% of Americans own their homes. 

And who can blame them? Renting carries a stigma that you haven’t checked off the “adulting checkbox” yet. This is especially true for families, because you now must worry about your children’s school district and being “renovicted”, a situation where the landlord “renovates” the home and kicks you out to jack up the rent. No wonder most American families want a forever home. No parent wants to worry about the instability of renting.

That said, renting can be stable and pay off, if done right. Homeownership carries overhead costs like maintenance, property taxes, and insurance, which, when saved and invested, helps you get ahead financially.  In addition to those three, there are many other costs associated with homeownership you may not have thought of, mentioned in JL’s viral post Why Your House is a Terrible Investment.

Renting and investing gives you flexibility because your money isn’t locked into one asset and you get paid dividends and interest which goes towards covering your rent. That’s why we also like to say…

“You can’t live inside a stock, but you can live inside a home paid for by its dividends, capital gains, and interest.” 

I know that families worry about being uprooted constantly but renting isn’t the risky move. Renting carelessly is.

Here’s how we do it strategically. 

10 Smart Renting Rules for Families

#1 Ownership Structure

What’s the most important thing when it comes to looking for rentals? 

The view? The size? The Location?

The answer is: none of the above. While those things are important, the most important thing on our list, that has served us well as renters in the past 20 years this:

Ownership Structure

In other words, “who owns the property?” Is it an individual’s house? A condo? 

If the condo unit or home that you live in can be easily sold, that’s not stable. We only look for “purpose-build” rental apartments. These are entire buildings that are owned by an individual landlord or a corporation, built especially for renting. This way, the cards are stacked in your favour because owners can’t sell an individual unit, they need to sell the entire apartment building, which is far less likely.

#2 Vet the Landlord

Management companies for apartment buildings, like individual landlords, run the gamut from being awesome to being slumlords. Always Google the name of the management company to see if they’ve been named in any lawsuits or cited by the city.

Check out the common areas of each building and see how well maintained they are. Pay particular attention to lawns, laundry rooms, and amenity rooms. If the grass is neatly trimmed, they probably care about doing a good job.

We like to go to the building when the landlord is not there and ask a few tenants whether they like living there. If there are problems, you will hear about it. 

You can also use this website that lets tenants review landlords: https://ratethelandlord.org/

#3 Treat viewings like interviews

Always be respectful, courteous, and punctual. If you say you’re going to show up at 10:00 AM, be there 5 minutes early. Look presentable. Comb your hair, trim your nails, and dress up. Landlords only have a few minutes to form an opinion about you, and you want to make it easy for them to think of you as a polite, organized professional that will likely pay their rent on time and not build a meth lab. You can always change back into your “May Contain Wine” T-shirt after you move in. 

#4 Prove You Are An A++ Tenant

Good landlords love A++ tenants. This means stellar references from previous landlords, excellent credit ratings, and a bank account statement that shows you’re good for rent (ideally, at least a year worth of rent). If you’re the type of tenant who’s never been late on rent, leaves a rental in better shape than when you got it, and have all your paperwork (landlord references, credit check etc) ready to go, you are an A++ tenant.  If you want the option to pick the best rentals, prove you are a desirable tenant. 

#5 Leverage existing approvals

As soon as you get approved for one rental, immediately let other landlords know. This puts a gold star next to your name. Landlords now know you are an A++ tenant and others have already done the work of approving you. When I went to rental showings, as soon as I mentioned I was already approved, landlords pounced on me like hungry cats. As soon as you get your first approval, announce it at every subsequent viewing because competition makes you more valuable. 

#6 Convenience, Size, Neighborhood. Pick 2 out of 3.

To bring down cost, be flexible about giving up the thing you care about the least. For us, that’s size. We hate driving and all the liabilities that come with owning a car, so convenience is important to us. We also need to be in a good neighborhood for good schools, safety, and access to pools and playgrounds.  This is why we were willing to compromise on the size (instead of a 1200 sqft place, we ended up in an 800 sqft one) and get a place closer to downtown in a good neighborhood. We make it work with modular furniture and minimizing our stuff (which is tough when you have a kid, but can be done if you furnish your place right). 

#7 Avoid the most desirable neighborhoods

It may be counter intuitive, but when it comes to renting, don’t pick the best neighborhoods. Pick up and coming ones adjacent to it. This will minimize competition while still giving you access to good amenities, safety, and schools since you are close to the best neighborhoods and more amenities will get built over time. When it comes to rentals, be in a good neighborhood, instead of great one.   

#8 Magnet Schools Are Your Friend

Parents shell out big bucks to buy houses in the best neighborhoods to get their kids into the best schools, but depending on where you live, you might be able to access “magnet schools”. 

These schools specialize in educational themes (like STEM, arts) that draw students from across normal school boundary lines. So even if you don’t live in an area with a good school, your child may be able to get into a good magnet school via academic performance, lottery, or audition/portfolios (for arts based programs). So don’t just focus on shelling out the most money to buy rent in the best neighborhoods. You can still access good schools by renting and finding good magnet schools. 

#9 Craigslist is surprisingly useful

To find our dream rental, we used Craigslist. That’s right, Craigslist. The one with all the scams. Surprisingly, it’s also the site that had the best rental deals. 

There are many newer sites you can use like “Zillow, Zumper, Trulia, Apartments.com, Facebook MarketPlace etc”. I’ve tried all of them. You do have to do more work to weed out the scams, but of all the sites I used, Craigslist had the best deals. 

When using rental sites, don’t sign any leases without seeing the place, don’t trust any listings without sufficient interior pictures, and don’t pay anything until you sign and verify the lease. 

Which brings me to my next point:

#10 Know your rights

Reading rental laws might put you to sleep faster than a truckload of Ambien, but it is the most important thing to do as a renter. 

In competitive rental markets, unscrupulous landlords might try to scam you by getting you to pay a full year’s rent up front or charging you for an application fee. If this violates local laws that protect you as a renter, you need to be aware of this. If you live in a place with rent control or has strict rules against “renovictions”, you need can use this to your advantage. Knowing your rights will mean the difference between enjoying renting and hating it.

Instead of spending money on things, spend on investments to buy your time back. As JL says…

 “Stop thinking about what your money can buy.

Think about what your money can earn.” 

When your portfolio’s capital gains, dividends, and interest are enough to pay for your living expenses (rent included), you are free to live your life on your own terms. You can choose to pursue passion projects, travel, and/or spend time with your loved ones. 

The more stuff you own, the more money you have to put towards insuring it, maintaining it, and storing it. 

I’d rather own my time. 

For more tips on how you can buy back your time, check out our new book

Parent Like a Millionaire (Without Being One) (www.parentlikeamillionaire.com). As a bonus treat, you will find an exceptionally well-written Foreword from the Godfather of FI himself. 

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Want a couple of free books?

If you comment below and answer the question “what is your biggest challenge as a parent?” we will randomly draw three readers to each win a free copy of our book (Due to shipping costs, for non-Americans it will be an e-book).

Plus, we held JL down and beat him until he agreed to add a copy of the new edition of The Simple Path to Wealth for a package deal!

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Addendum: 

How we got INSANE Real Estate Investing Returns 

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Comments

  1. New to this says

    My biggest challenge as a parent is passing on/instilling great financial habits, when I am (finally/still) learning them.

  2. Ryan Hannah says

    With my kids being very young (1 and 3), my biggest challenge right now is finding time outside of parenting to do anything else.

  3. Sarah says

    Another book these two? And they call themselves FIRE?
    Funny how ‘retired’ people never stop selling something. Looks more like a business model than financial independence. FIREEs beware!

    • brandon says

      No one likes the FIRE police. Their first book was great and they quit their high stress jobs to accomplish their goals of becoming authors.

    • Riccardo Poveri says

      Thank you for policing their retirement, and maybe mine…
      These days, you can never have enough security.

      Btw, I raise chickens and sell fresh eggs… drop me a line if interested.

      • Jacob says

        My biggest challenge as a parent is giving my kids the space to learn and make mistakes on their own. Letting your toddler help you make cookies is soooo much more work than just doing it yourself. They always are terrible at new things, it’s so easy to step in when they’re struggling and do it for them.

    • George F. says

      lol While I was reading it, I had the exact same reaction. Call me the police if you want, but it’s irritating to watch these FIRE “pastors” collecting income from every direction.

      There’s a big difference between being fully dependent on your portfolio and quietly owning multiple cash cows in different pastures. Even if you claim you don’t need them, the mere existence of those income streams buys a level of freedom and psychological safety most people grinding toward FIRE will never experience.

      Let’s not pretend those situations are the same.

      • Bruno Bontempi says

        Is there work after work? The thing is, you will never know, until you quit your 9-6 which, in most cases, is your main income river.
        And the income streams you refer to might never materialize. You can earn by writing, or selling fresh eggs (Riccardo, send me a couple of dozen please), but you cannot make it a plan.
        All that said, the golden rule is, if you like it, you can do it too!
        And if you don’t like it, feel free to manage your life the way you want. And let me do the same.

  4. Brandon T says

    My biggest parental challenge is dealing with entitlement based on social influences to my kids as they grew older. I guess that’s partially my fault by introducing them to technology (iPhone, iPad) and access to the internet too early. The plus and minuses of technology! Good luck!

  5. Nolan says

    My biggest challenge as a parent is deciding how much of an influence schools have on children versus how much of an influence parenting and friends have on children. Do you have to live in the best school district?

  6. Anne says

    My biggest challenge is figuring out to prepare our budget for kids BEFORE we have kids. We are hoping to have kids in the next 12-24 months and we’re working on what we should do now to make sure we are ready financially for kids.

  7. Brandon says

    Our biggest challenge is keeping our 3 year daughter actively and meaningfully engaged by not using youtube or television. I’m retired and my wife works part time. That means a lot of time to keep daughter engaged and entertained. We decided to put her in pre-school for all our sanity. We also live overseas so she’s learning a new language with her teachers.

  8. Bruno Bontempi says

    Keeping the parents aligned for 20 or more years is not easy.
    The temptation to delegate parenting (or aspects thereof) to one of the parents is strong, but is lethal in the long run.
    Division of labor (e.g. you do education, I do board games) does not work in parenting.
    Watch for kids playing for power as they grow — nature makes them particularly skilled at that.
    Good luck… looking forward for Volume II, 12 years from now!

  9. Nick says

    > That said, renting can be stable and pay off, if done right. Homeownership carries overhead costs like […] property taxes, and insurance

    Renters do pay property taxes. And two types of insurance: landlord’s and renter’s. Both taxes and landlord’s insurance are built into rent. You just don’t see it itemized like you would otherwise.

    Unless you’re renting from someone who is cash-flow negative, which, I assume, is not that this article is about.

    Homeowners who use escrow also “don’t pay property taxes and insurance” because the bank pays it for them (by charging the owner all of it in a single monthly payment).

  10. Diane and Lawrence says

    The biggest challenge as a parent is to let our kids make their own mistakes and learn from them because no matter how many times we tell them this or that, they will not learn until they have done it themselves. That being said, we still believe that there should be safeguards so that they can learn from their mistakes without being hurt. Thanks!! Lawrence and Diane – parents of a 6 year old and a new baby due in May 🙂

  11. Komila says

    My biggest challenge is managing my own emotions and triggers while loving and nurturing my own kid. So many situations trigger undesirable reactions and take me back to places I didn’t know still existed. “Breath in, breath out. It is not a crisis, there is no danger. Take your time.” are my mantras. I am growing as a parent as he is growing as a child.

  12. Don Mencke says

    our biggest challenge as a parent is when they are young adults/late teens. I would gladly trade this to be back in the diaper changing stage or 2nd grade. What was I possibly thinking when I thought it was going to be terrible to take our son and daughter out of elementary school to go on a vacation?! I was worried they wouldn’t learn their abc’s or something?! how trivial. The challenge today is that we feel like we laid the proper foundation for our kids to succeed, but then we see them make mistake after mistake in their choices and we cannot do anything about it but “advise” and “suggest”. It is their life at this point, it’s not like they are 6 and we can remove them from the kitchen so they don’t burn their hand on the stove. They have to learn on their own and it is very difficult to parent this when you know there is a better way…

  13. Kevin W. says

    Appreciate the honest update, JL. Your Simple Path to Wealth philosophy has shaped how a lot of us think about investing. Taking a pause is itself a demonstration of the patience-first approach you’ve always taught. Looking forward to whatever comes next.

  14. John W says

    Thanks for the great tips JL, while I’m not a parent yet but I plan to be in the next 5 years. Since I don’t yet have a kid I would say the biggest challenge for me personally was learning personal finance as my parents immigrated from Asia so they don’t necessary know all the in and out on American policies. However, that will change with my children since I read Simple Path to Wealth and plan to pass down the valuable knowledge.

  15. JL Collins says

    Our book winners have been chosen.

    Congrats to Anne, Nolan and Brandon!

    A copy of Parent Like a Millionaire and the new edition of The Simple Path to Wealth are on their way!

  16. Katherine says

    Thank you Kristy, Bryce and J.L. once again. Your generosity in sharing these insights has truly helped me to live and plan better. I had been meaning to run the math on that renting versus owning argument for some time and this post prompted me to do it and it is very liberating to finally grasp that formula. Thank you!!!

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