President Trump and the future of stock returns

 

Since last Wednesday, depending on your political leanings, you have been celebrating or in mourning. Or maybe you greeted the news with indifference.

Now, as the dust settles, you might be wondering what this all means for your portfolio. 

Love him or loathe him, Mr. Trump is a disruptive force and

Mr. Market hates disruption.

Back in November 2016 that was my analysis, and I was sorely tempted to move to cash. Instead, I stuck to my discipline and remained fully invested. No one can predict the market even – especially – when the road ahead seemed so clear.

Good move, it turned out. Despite my instincts to the contrary, Mr. Market turned in a very strong performance over those four years.

My guess for the next four years? 

So far, Mr. Market seems very pleased with the election results. But to me, it feels like we could see a significant bear market sometime down the road. 

Love him or loathe him, Mr. Trump is a disruptive force and Mr. Market hates disruption. Plus, one is due. We are at the pinnacle of a massive 15.5 year bull market* and such runs don’t last forever.

So, time to move to cash?

Not for me. My discipline remains the same. No one can predict Mr. Market, least of all me. I will remain fully invested.

Should my bearish speculation prove correct, I will have tied myself to the mast and will stay invested, and investing, as it rages and passes.

Should the Mr. Market continue this historic bull run, I’ll be right there with it.

This is The Simple Path to Wealth.

For more:

Optimism

Time Machine and the future returns of stocks

30% Up years in the stock market

*I’m dating this from March 2009 when the S&P 500 hit bottom in the crash of 2007-09 having dropped 57%.

Technically we have had another crash and bear market since then.

During covid, from Feb. 20 to April 7, S&P 500 dropped 34% and recovered; a record rebound of less than two months.

Jan 3-Oct 12 2022 the S&P fell 25.4% over just ten months.

While sharp declines, both these were so short in duration they are now seen as blips in this overall bull run.

 

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Comments

  1. Neil says

    Been following you for a decade. Reassuring. Nonetheless, I look everywhere around me and only observe bearish sentiment when I really focus. I-bonds seem compelling at this point.

  2. Lesa says

    Sir Collins,

    What a pleasant surprise and a stark reminder of the truth, in
    your post. Thank you for taking time – be happy and healthy.

    Lesa

  3. Matt says

    This last decade has been quite the lesson in “stay the course.” I got “smart” in 2021 and did a substantial reallocation to bonds and multifamily which have provided relatively muted results. I missed the run-up in equities. And so far, I can’t get myself to jump back in and by default am stuck playing “market timer” again which I now know (even better than I did in the first place) is a fool’s game for me. Unfortunately not my only “smart” intervention along the way in my 54 years. As the simple formula promises had I simply followed “the simple path to wealth” from the onset I would have been far better off return wise and peace of mind wise. Your work and your book are helping so many stay the course. Kudos to you for leaving such a positive impact on the lives of so many (including me)!

  4. Jessica says

    The voice of reason, always at the perfect time.

    This seems like a mundane question, but curious if you still feel that VTI (VTSAX) is the way to go vs VOO? Looking at Vanguard’s ETF comparison chart, VOO has outperformed VTI since inception with VOO having a 14.54% average annualized returns (since 9/7/2010) in comparison to VTI with 8.80% average annualized return (since 5/24/2001). With that in mind I’ve been considering DCA-ing into VOO weekly instead of VTSAX. Is this moot point?

    • Chris says

      Compare the two funds for the same time period and you’ll find a much, much closer average return. Either of those are fine investments and they will perform similarly, so don’t overcomplicate your investing life for such a minute pro/con list between those.

      • Jessica says

        Ah yes, VOO missed out on some pretty big negative years so makes sense to compare the two during the same time period. Thanks Chris for the feedback, greatly appreciated.

  5. Kacey says

    I remember following you more than a decade ago as I seriously started to construct a portfolio and went mostly VTI with things like amazon, apple, google etc. on the side. I remember crossing 6 figs and being so happy getting to that milestone. In 2015 decided to go 90% bitcoin and 10% vti but used the principles I learned on this site to HOLD, evaluate and aquire more. This year crossed 8 figs and shooting for 9 figures in a few years.

    Thanks JL for all the lessons over the years. Haven’t been here in years but still a website I send for the average person who wants to get started and not get stressed out about the investing process.

  6. JustMe says

    This is a tough time of testing. I am definitely in a “wait and see” mode. The trend over the last 100+ years has been in favor of free trade. Trump is promising to reverse that with tariffs. Tariffs that will spike inflation. Mass deportations that will result in further labor shortages and spike inflation. Tax cuts that will further balloon the deficit, undermining the dollar. I’ve moved about 6% into international stocks for the first time. I’m prepared to move a lot more if the Republican Congress allows the Trump agenda to move forward. I’m also within a category of people who may be targeted. I need to think about an exit strategy. I may need to buy a golden visa.

    • Robert Reisner says

      If the internal economy grows, wages are likely to exceed new inflation. Purchasing power can increase in moderately inflationary times. Post WW2 is a good example.

      The USA economy is not trade dependent. Other countries depend on exports for economic health. Trumps program has a high probability of helping the USA at the expense of the economies of other countries. For example, Germany’s chemical industry is relocating to the USA. USA content in autos is increasing while foreign content is being reduced.

      AI and other computer based improvements are going to devastate white and blue collar employment. Ok for the USA because it is bringing back manufacturing jobs and the USA can support more subsidized income programs. Most foreign countries have little social support and cannot afford a 40% drop in employment.

      You might want to reconsider the ‘golden passport’ option.

      • Sam says

        So you think you have a better idea of how Trump’s tariff plan will pan out? The WSJ – propaganda? Hmmm. There are lessons to be learned from reflecting on the past. Where might I ask are you getting your information from?

  7. MicheleC says

    The image of you lashed to the mast, confident, leading the way and modeling holding tight to our investments (and the mast😬) makes me smile. This too shall pass. I am hoping for a correction b/c I finally sold my rentals and have some cash to go shopping for deals. I love a good deal!

  8. Mike says

    Don’t know what definition of bear market you use, but we had one by most accounts in 2020 and then again in 2022. So this is a daily young bull.
    That if course doesn’t mean that we cannot get another bear soon!

  9. dc says

    Thank YOU for the post! I’ve have being investing in VTSAX 92% and T- bills 8% since 1997 and never sold one share. I’ve been rewarded so much even though with many ups and downs over the years. Enjoy the ride!

  10. Guy says

    Well, of course… capitalism will continue to stockpile capital until it’s got all it can get. But at least we’ll have a big ol’ pile of cash while we torch our children’s future. 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • Bee says

      You have summed up my sentiments exactly while I dip my toes into learning about this whole investing thing. Surely there is a better way, if not as lucrative?

  11. Robert Reisner says

    While I generally agree with the comment, I think it should only apply to funds you don’t need in a 5 or 10 year period.

    A long cycle crashes do happen and could force a person to sell depressed stocks for living or other planned expenses. And for someone with a long future to live off of savings, this could be painful.

    The typical retiree with social security and / or a pension might need some additional cash from savings. It would be nice if these funds were put aside in some form of near cash for immediate needs.
    =====
    In general, for someone invested in the USA economy and living in the USA economy, standing fast with something like VTSAX is a great option and highly recommended.

    I have deep concern about others in non USA economies holding non USA oriented indexes. AI, automation, self drive, robots and a hundred other maturing computer based solutions to taking humans out of the work loop is going to be great for the USA. I believe there is a substantial chance that second and third world countries could collapse economically. And maybe a couple of firstish world countries.

  12. Bethany says

    Minor correction: Trump was first elected in November 2016 (not November 2015). He took office in January 2017.

    Thanks for the calm reminder to stay the course. I will be doing the same!

  13. Todd Garrett says

    Uncle Jim, should the ship go down (it won’t)…I am lashed to the main & will ride it right to the bottom with you.

  14. Matt says

    It’s always a good time to buy VTI. The market is high? Great, buy more. The market is low? Even better, buy more. In the realm of things… who cares what asshole is in the office? Just keep buying. The hardest part of buying VTI is having so much money you don’t know what to do with, or in my case, finding a woman that isn’t going to take away half of it someday.

  15. Sylvia says

    I just finished reading your book. WOW. I also just read “How To Retire” by Christine Benz. It was there that I learned of your book. I will be giving both books to my nephew, 46. I have been reading books on finance since forever. My husband and I are in our 80s, college educated, and paid for by ourselves after we earned the needed money. We lived debt free. We were raised poor but by parents that believed in hard work and were savers. Their lives were not easy at all. So grateful for the lessons learned from them. Your book should be required reading at universities. Oh, and we have Vanguard.

  16. Ahmad says

    Hello JL,

    I’m 18 and in my first year of college. I’ve been reading through a plethora of your articles, soaking up as much information as possible and trying to grasp a true understanding as I have no experience with investing. While I don’t have the needed capital to invest in VTSAX, I wanted to know if you or others in the community would advise VTI (EFT for Vanguard) as a reputable beginning investment. Thank you for the many articles you’ve published and the wealth of resources you’ve made available.

    Best regards,

    Ahmad

    • Gregory says

      Yes, Ahmad! VTI is a great way to go, and now that you can purchase fractional shares, so you can get started with $1. I got both of my daughters started with VTI before they had enough for the minimum investment in VTSAX.

  17. Oleg Ots says

    Hello, Mr. Collins.
    My name is Oleg. I am student in Skagit Valley College (Mount Vernon, WA) .
    Next week I will complete Personal Finance class. During the class we used The Simple Path to Wealth as an addition textbook.
    I have just finished to read it. I didn’t find on the website your email, therefore, I am writing this comment to say Great thank you for you book.
    The only thing which I am sorry is that I didn’t got you book 20 years ago, when I was a university student in Russia.

    Thank you very much.
    Sincerely,
    Oleg Ots

  18. Stephen Owens says

    This article offers a balanced perspective on the potential impact of President Trump’s policies on stock market returns. It underscores the importance of maintaining a disciplined investment strategy, regardless of political developments. Given the inherent unpredictability of markets, adhering to a consistent investment approach remains crucial. A timely reminder to stay the course and avoid reactionary decisions based on political events.

  19. Karla Kramer says

    Ahhhhh…the future right now has most all of us shaking in our shoes.

    I have my funds in VanGuard….I have had suggestions by well-meaning friends to switch to having them managed by a financial planner…one that is able to move on certain investments to my benefit. Someone who “knows” the market and “knows” what to do. Yah, I have walked that road before and had 3 failed attempts with “planners.” I then found your book and switched to VanGuard. However, this is new territory for our country. Just not sure. Egads. Thoughts?

  20. George says

    Hi JL, long time reader, first time questioner.

    What are your thoughts on VASGX and VSMGX? Given all the givens, as they say. I can’t find your position on them anywhere.

    Personnel context: A savvy friend recommended them 6+ years back, which I’ve invested about 30% of my portfolio in. Since picking up your advice 5+ years back, I’ve principally focused on VTSAX/VTI/VOO, which now accounts for 35-40% of my portfolio.

    Thanks!

  21. Jon says

    Love the series, having a problem staying attached to the mast over the past 2 weeks but still lashed to it. I need to stop checking my account daily as it’s like a leaking faucet, dripping away what has grown over the past 3 years.

  22. Brandon says

    There’s an underlying assumption in the simple path mindset. There’s a very human tendency to over react. Therefore, our plan must diminish our agency in making investment decisions based on our likely wrong speculations. Every time “this time is different” ended up not being that different after all. I, of course, agree with the general sentiment. It’s certainly paid off in my investment years. I’m extremely grateful to folks like JL for this.

    However, in the back of my mind, I have this fear that the simple path mindset is inherently blind to when things actual do change in a real way. Just because things have worked up to now, doesn’t mean they will continue to do so. Right now certainly feels very different. All that said, I’m still tied to the mast.

    Nevertheless, I am considering hedges to a negatively affected US economy, a devalued dollar, or even a new world order without the US at its head. I’m thinking about owning a home in another country, allocating some funds toward international index funds (VXUS, etc…)… Anyone else feeling this way?

    • Jo says

      Feeling this way. Asking myself the same questions, socially around the assumption that everything will pass, which I do agree with but I also agree with you that this time there and things genuinely changing that might test the validity of said assumption.

      I’m also currently considering buying into an international or global tracker/index, as I currently have the vast majority of my investments into the US equity index fund from vanguard.

    • JR says

      This is spot on Brandon. I’m currently thinking the same. Wondering if I should be buying internationally as well.

      Wealth destroying policies and reputational damage more importantly is setting us on the wrong path, threatening the simple path approach. If a crash were more organic I would be buying like crazy, this is purely on the shoulders of one man who thinks himself a god. The arrogance and idiocy is next level.

      Your reputation takes a years to build, seconds to destroy and a lifetime to repair. The new work order seems to be one were the U.S. is no longer the bastion of hope.

  23. JR says

    Uncle Jim, I know BUT what about now? Should I still hold? If it were any other downturn I would stay put or maybe even buy, but right now I’m scared about what the current administration is doing: attacking institutions, playing with the stock market, etc… It really seems like this time we have an administration hell bent on destroying people who are not already wealthy among many other bad things.

  24. Sean says

    Any words of wisdom from JL Collins would be appreciated as the mast I am tied to is sinking with the ship…

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